^^^^ Because they've dehumanised us. And when you've dehumanised people, you can stand by and watch anything happen to them. The irony is that with all the empty talk about loving your neighbour, and stories like the good samaritan, it often boils down to a very simple exclusive club mindset: 'if you're not one of us, screw you'.
paranoia agent
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What's with all the JWs unleashing the hate!?
by Julia Orwell inmost of us here on jwn, while we can get a bit narky at times, can put forth intelligent arguments and sound observations.
sure we can get bogged down with our opinions, but generally we back up our opinions with examples and evidence, and if someone has a different opinion with examples and evidence, we accept that without recriminations.
that's what adults do.. so my question is, why in the last week or so, have a couple of posters claiming to be jws come onto this forum and berated, spewed hate and judgement, and in some cases verbally attacked members personally?
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Getting Stuck on the Idea of Closure
by OnTheWayOut ini may be suffering twice for having left the jehovah's witnesses and watching my jw wife and other family members stay in.
once for the changed situation (or loss) and another time for expecting to make progress in getting over it.. the 1969 book on death and dying by elisabeth kubler-ross introduced us to the kubler-ross model , commonly referred to as the " five stages of grief.
" they are very helpful, but the original idea of the book and the hypothesis was that when a person is faced with the reality of impending death , he or she will experience a series of emotional stages: denial, anger, bargaining, depression and acceptance.. it isn't always the case, but those stages are often felt by terminally ill patients.
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There are many books that tells you how to be happy, I know this might not sound like not what you are after but according to positive psychology grief is important, without these negative emotions how them would we learn from our hopes and failures and continue to be human? if you are grieving for a long time in my opinion I suggest you see a psychologist, not psychiatrists (temporary solutions for problems, after all you can't take drugs for the rest of your life) and you might want to read the happiness trap.
I don't think the Kübler-Ross model applies to us anyway, it certainly did when I became an atheist but for most of us who family are in the ‘truth' loop between anger to depression. I think it's because we cannot find closure when we still have a chance, something to do with our super ego perhaps.
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I have a live one lol
by paranoia agent inhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cov9xvrq1p8.
check the comment section for jw raiden25256666 posts, he just called me an idiot lol.
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Bigmac: Thanks satan! :0
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Ancient Confession Found: 'We Invented Jesus Christ'
by Watchtower-Free inhttp://uk.prweb.com/releases/2013/10/prweb11201273.htm.
ancient confession found: 'we invented jesus christ'biblical scholars will be appearing at the 'covert messiah' conference at conway hall in london on the 19th of october to present this controversial discovery to the british public.
london (prweb uk) 8 october 2013. american biblical scholar joseph atwill will be appearing before the british public for the first time in london on the 19th of october to present a controversial new discovery: ancient confessions recently uncovered now prove, according to atwill, that the new testament was written by first-century roman aristocrats and that they fabricated the entire story of jesus christ.
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bytheirworks wrote :
Paranoia agent is very confused & deluded.
I don’t know therefore I have no reason to believe.
That is the craziest thing you have said yet. Not knowing... is to immediately have a reason to believe.
People believe when they DO NOT know. They have no choice.
They will either believe for something or believe against something... but by definition, you can only believe when you don't know.
In fact, it is only when one doesn't know, that's when you ABSOLUTELY HAVE a reason to believe.
There is no need to be rude, I am sure we can discuss this like adults. I was pointing out the principals of logic you were applying in regards to negatives, that you do not seem to understand the principles.
Again you are presupposing that deities/Jesus/Jehovah exist, the old god of the gaps argument, the 'I don't know therefore god'. Why god? why not multiple gods or pagan gods?
By definition yes belief can be based on the unknown, I can believe that magic teapots float around Saturn and that flying pink unicorns exist, but this argument is a strawman because I never argued that I have beliefs in the same that are like 'I don't know if I have a lost twin brother, therefore I believe or 'I do not know if I have an invisible fire breathing dragon in my garage, therefore I believe' or I don't know <insert here>, therefore I believe'. So is it really that crazy??
Have a great day.
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I have a live one lol
by paranoia agent inhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cov9xvrq1p8.
check the comment section for jw raiden25256666 posts, he just called me an idiot lol.
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So far I failed to establish a dialogue, he isn't very bright even for a jw, does not seem to realise the bad name that he is giving other jw's.
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I have a live one lol
by paranoia agent inhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cov9xvrq1p8.
check the comment section for jw raiden25256666 posts, he just called me an idiot lol.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cOv9XVrQ1p8
Check the comment section for jw raiden25256666 posts, he just called me an idiot lol
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Ancient Confession Found: 'We Invented Jesus Christ'
by Watchtower-Free inhttp://uk.prweb.com/releases/2013/10/prweb11201273.htm.
ancient confession found: 'we invented jesus christ'biblical scholars will be appearing at the 'covert messiah' conference at conway hall in london on the 19th of october to present this controversial discovery to the british public.
london (prweb uk) 8 october 2013. american biblical scholar joseph atwill will be appearing before the british public for the first time in london on the 19th of october to present a controversial new discovery: ancient confessions recently uncovered now prove, according to atwill, that the new testament was written by first-century roman aristocrats and that they fabricated the entire story of jesus christ.
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bytheirworks wrote Saying Jesus didn't exist is like saying George Washington didn't exist.
You can't prove a negative... so you can't prove someone didn't exist.
All you can do is carefully examine the evidence presented that the person did exist.
but saying Jesus didn't exist is like saying George Washington didn't exist.
In which I replied: And you can't say that he did either, what I can say is that due to the lack of evidence I have no reason to believe that christ ever existed.
bytheirworks then pm’d me:
And you can't say that he did either, what I can say is that due to the lack of evidence I have no reason to believe that christ ever existed."
1st of all, I have the choice to say whatever I want. Whether you believe me or not, is your choice.
2nd, my previous argument stays undebunked.
You can't prove a negative, so you can NEVER PROVE that someone didn't exist.
You can only ACCEPT or NOT ACCEPT information presented that someone DID live.
So the question is then: "What information are NOT ACCEPTING?I am curious as to why you pm’d me, you dislike discussions in the open?
As for this post allow me to comment from top to bottom, I never implied that you are not allowed to speak your mind and I don’t think you understand that under your own terms on “prove a negative” is the non existing of jesus/Jehovah/deities, take your pick, because you are presupposing that Jesus existed.
The rules of logic that you are applying are misconstrued, there cannot be evidence for absence therefore there can not be evidence for Christ because there is an absence of evidence. And also, rather than disproving Christ we can disprove the bible, we can disprove that there are any historical evidence for Christ who raised the dead and cured the blind.
So your argument does not need to be debunked because it’s flawed, I rest my case on the null hypothesis, that I don’t know therefore I have no reason to believe.
Have a great day.
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Spirituality versus Religion
by Fernando inthere seem to be many ways to explain the difference.
the one below seems moderate - even neutral.
your thoughts?.
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Note that this journal uses the explanations to define spiritualism, not a great word in my opinion considering that by these terms set out on this paper sex is also a form of spiritualism. Transcendent meaning simply means meaning beyond human experience, which there is no scientific evidence for. This paper is not to prove spiritualism but to explain it's philosophical concepts on patiencs and if spiritual needs are necessary for dying patients.
Also its important to note the criticism that this field has had - biopsychosocial
"Some critics point out this question of distinction and a question of determination of the roles of illness and disease runs against the growing concept of the patient–medical tradesperson partnership or patient empowerment, as "biopsychosocial" becomes one more disingenuous euphemism for psychosomatic illness. [ 20 ] This may be exploited by medical insurance companies or government welfare departments eager to limit or deny access to medical and social care. [ 21 ]
Some psychiatrists see the BPS model as flawed, in either formulation or application. Epstein and colleagues describe six conflicting interpretations of what the model might be, and proposes that "...habits of mind may be the missing link between a biopsychosocial intent and clinical reality." [ 22 ] Psychiatrist Hamid Tavakoli argues that the BPS model should be avoided because it unintentionally promotes an artificial distinction between biology and psychology, and merely causes confusion in psychiatric assessments and training programs, and that ultimately it has not helped the cause of trying to destigmatize mental health. [ 23 ]
Sociologist David Pilgrim suggests that a necessary pragmatism and a form of "mutual tolerance" (Goldie, 1977) has forced a co-existence of perspectives, rather than a genuine "theoretical integration as a shared BPS orthodoxy." [ 24 ] Pilgrim goes on to state that despite "scientific and ethical virtues," the BPS model "...has not been properly realised. It seems to have been pushed into the shadows by a return to medicine and the re-ascendancy of a biomedical model." [ 25 ]
However, a vocal philosophical critic of the BPS model, psychiatrist Niall McLaren, [ 26 ] writes:
"Since the collapse of the 19th century models (psychoanalysis, biologism and behaviourism), psychiatrists have been in search of a model that integrates the psyche and the soma. So keen has been their search that they embraced the so-called 'biopsychosocial model' without ever bothering to check its details. If, at any time over the last three decades, they had done so, they would have found it had none. This would have forced them into the embarrassing position of having to acknowledge that modern psychiatry is operating in a theoretical vacuum." [ 27 ]
The rationale for this theoretical vacuum is outlined in his 1998 paper [ 28 ] and more recently in his books, most notably Humanizing Psychiatrists. [ 29 ] Simply put, the purpose of a scientific model is to see if a scientific theory works and to actualize its logical consequences. In this sense, models are real and their material consequences can be measured, whereas theories are ideas and can no more be measured than daydreams. Model-building separates theories with a future from those that always remain dreams. An example of a true scientific model is longer necked giraffes reach more food, survive at higher rates, and pass on this longer neck trait to their progeny. This is a model (natural selection) of the theory of evolution. Therefore, from an epistemological stance there can be no model of mental disorder without first establishing a theory of the mind. Dr. McLaren does not say that the biopsychosocial model is devoid of merit, just that it does not fit the definition of a scientific model (or theory) and does not "reveal anything that would not be known (implicitly, if not explicitly) to any practitioner of reasonable sensitivity." He states that the biopsychosocial model should be seen in a historical context as bucking against the trend of biological reductionism, which was (and still is) overtaking psychiatry. Engel "has done a very great service to orthodox psychiatry in that he legitimised the concept of talking to people as people." In short, even though it is correct to say that sociology, psychology, and biology are factors in mental illness, simply stating this obvious fact does not make it a model in the scientific sense of the word. [ 26 ] [ 28 ] [ 29 ] [ 30 ]
The psychiatry professor and author S. Nassir Ghaemi considers Engel's model to be anti-humanistic and advocates the use of less eclectic, less generic, and less vague alternatives, such as William Osler’s medical humanism or Karl Jaspers’ method-based psychiatry. [ 31 ]"
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Biopsychosocial_model#Criticism
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Ancient Confession Found: 'We Invented Jesus Christ'
by Watchtower-Free inhttp://uk.prweb.com/releases/2013/10/prweb11201273.htm.
ancient confession found: 'we invented jesus christ'biblical scholars will be appearing at the 'covert messiah' conference at conway hall in london on the 19th of october to present this controversial discovery to the british public.
london (prweb uk) 8 october 2013. american biblical scholar joseph atwill will be appearing before the british public for the first time in london on the 19th of october to present a controversial new discovery: ancient confessions recently uncovered now prove, according to atwill, that the new testament was written by first-century roman aristocrats and that they fabricated the entire story of jesus christ.
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bytheirworks: And you can't say that he did either, what I can say is that due to the lack of evidence I have no reason to believe that christ ever existed.
cofty: The evidence for a man by the name of Jesus is very strong, the evidence for christ is nil. Read Did Jesus Exist by Bart Ehrman.
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Do Jehovah's Witnesses, suffer from Stockholm Syndrome? What do you think?
by LoisLane looking for Superman in.
i believe they do.. loislane.
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I don't know about Stockholm but I have met elders with the dunning-kruger effect.